There is a lot of concern over in Left Blogistan over the growing use of eliminationist rhetoric among right-wing blogs.
The concern is valid. The collection of such excess, for use against both the speakers and their supporters, is fair game.
But I argue here that the danger is less than it appears, and that in some ways this is a good thing.
The Nixon Thesis under we have lived for nearly 40 years is based on conflict. From the beginning, as I’ve written many times, the dehumanization of dissent has been at the heart of the matter. Whenever the thesis has been threatened, the rhetoric has been ratcheted up. The result has been an abusive political marriage, with liberals either cowed or beaten into submission because the majority still believes the thesis.
This is what is in the process of ending, as we go through a new Crisis and seek a new Thesis.
Democrats remain divided even today, between those who follow the AntiThesis of Clinton, triangulating between the most extreme conservatism and liberalism, which they also assume to be extreme, and those seeking a new Thesis. This, too, is natural. Some 40 years ago Republicans were divided between those who followed the AntiThesis of Eisenhower, accepting the premises of liberalism while trying to sail against its wind, and movement conservatives who were building something new.
As this was taking place, 40 years ago, many who had been brought up
on conventional liberalism started to go off the deep end. These were
mostly young people, but there were also some oldsters.
We know what this looked like. These were the hippies, the
dope-smokers, the followers of the Summer of Love, and their millions
of wannabes all across America. Their music, their image now dominates
our memory of that time, although they were far from the whole reality.
They were merely what was different.
I would argue that, in the context of history, this fringe defined
the dieing of liberal’s light. Some liberals at that time knew this,
and it depressed them deeply.
Just as the excess of unity set against the backdrop of an unpopular
war led to peace, love and dope 40 years ago, so it leads today, on the
right, to hate speech.
Because dominance of the mass media is an important element in the
Nixon Thesis (control it while still treating it like an enemy, the
same as is done in journalism and government) a lot of this nonsense
gets played before a mass audience.
It’s also important to note how often this rhetoric goes back to the subject of Vietnam.
Remember, political myths don’t require truth to be powerful, and the
lie that Vietnam was lost because liberals lost heart is, and always
was, at the heart of it.
I have taken to calling these people "haties" because they’re playing with hate just as hippies played with love. (The mysoginism
and male chauvinism at the heart of the hippie lifestyle have been
discussed to death.) And I think it’s vital that, at this time of
crisis, we give these idiots all the rope they need to hang themselves.
That’s because it is going to get worse before it gets better. There
are a lot of Timothy McVeighs out there — more than ever before. Their
politics as well as their persons must be discredited if we’re to move
forward. People like Glenn Beck, Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter need
to be excised from the public debate, just as the hippies and their
followers were a generation ago.
But they won’t go quietly. Just as hippie culture matasticized into
the Weather Underground, the Mansons and (in its last stage) the
Symbionese Liberation Army, so I guarantee that some of today’s Free
Republic haters are going to turn into McVeighs. But we learned from
that earlier brush with extremism. The new Thesis attached the
extremists to the body of their opponents, and then pushed it like a
dagger into the heart of all liberals, killing their movement for a
generation.
This is what we must now do to movement conservatism. And in that effort people like Glenn Beck are useful hippies indeed.
P.S. — As previously-legitimate speech becomes out-of-bounds, and as the any new political thesis becomes excess, unable to deal with new problems because it doesn’t ask the right questions, it’s this out-of-bounds political thought (defanged, of course) that becomes the heart of the next Thesis. But making that happen is a generation-long process. You, and I, and Glenn Beck will all be long dead before it comes back.
Yes, we are due for a new political thesis, and it will be one of American unity in the face of whatever, but first the two currently on deck have to duke it out to see which one – or which version of them – Americans find makes the most sense.
A lot of old hippies morphed into yuppies and backout into old activists with “No War for Oil” on their SUVs (You can tell I live in the University district!)
My generation is fading from the scene – not sure if you are contemporary with my kids or not (just a guess! 30-45?) but it’s been intriguing to watch the flip-flops and cries of alarm over the past 50 years.
Thanks for tackling and discussing these issues on a neither left nor right blog, and do check out David Brin’s blog. He’s a Boomer and wedded to Enlightenment values – not what you usually think of!
Yes, we are due for a new political thesis, and it will be one of American unity in the face of whatever, but first the two currently on deck have to duke it out to see which one – or which version of them – Americans find makes the most sense.
A lot of old hippies morphed into yuppies and backout into old activists with “No War for Oil” on their SUVs (You can tell I live in the University district!)
My generation is fading from the scene – not sure if you are contemporary with my kids or not (just a guess! 30-45?) but it’s been intriguing to watch the flip-flops and cries of alarm over the past 50 years.
Thanks for tackling and discussing these issues on a neither left nor right blog, and do check out David Brin’s blog. He’s a Boomer and wedded to Enlightenment values – not what you usually think of!
No, we are heading the second US civil war. It’s too late to bring it back now.
Being as I now view Liberals as border-line traitors, what could you possibly tell me to change my mind?
That’s correct: NOTHING.
No, we are heading the second US civil war. It’s too late to bring it back now.
Being as I now view Liberals as border-line traitors, what could you possibly tell me to change my mind?
That’s correct: NOTHING.
It’s a great, unexpected pleasure when some Yahoo points a comment that illustrates the precise point I’m making.
So I’m leaving the idiocy up, including his made-up e-mail address. After all, he did go through Captcha to get it in so he (or she) must care.
About killing anyone whose politics they don’t like.
It’s a great, unexpected pleasure when some Yahoo points a comment that illustrates the precise point I’m making.
So I’m leaving the idiocy up, including his made-up e-mail address. After all, he did go through Captcha to get it in so he (or she) must care.
About killing anyone whose politics they don’t like.
Gee, I wonder who would win a civil war???!!! I promise you it won’t be the liberal cowards. Yelling death threats and carrying little signs aren’t going to stop lead LOL! LOL! LOL!
Gee, I wonder who would win a civil war???!!! I promise you it won’t be the liberal cowards. Yelling death threats and carrying little signs aren’t going to stop lead LOL! LOL! LOL!
Hey, Dana, the facts are that liberals are far more wanting violence. Go to a conservative blog and read the many death threats that these flunkies post. The only thing is that these people hide behind their computers. They could and would not defend their own families, let alone fight their way out of a wet paperbag. The above comment by “screw you” is right. There will be a civil war and the left will be eliminated. After all this is what most liberals want. Also, keep in mind that just about all of our military is “conservative”. Good luck your going to need it!
Hey, Dana, the facts are that liberals are far more wanting violence. Go to a conservative blog and read the many death threats that these flunkies post. The only thing is that these people hide behind their computers. They could and would not defend their own families, let alone fight their way out of a wet paperbag. The above comment by “screw you” is right. There will be a civil war and the left will be eliminated. After all this is what most liberals want. Also, keep in mind that just about all of our military is “conservative”. Good luck your going to need it!
P.S. Not a liberal not conservative. Just one of the few people who can think for themselves.
P.S. Not a liberal not conservative. Just one of the few people who can think for themselves.
I feel sorry for you, dana. You seem to be filled with hate. Taking the I hate FOXNEWS and Glenn Beck route. Gee, never heard that one before. LOLOL. You need to excised from any debate yourself. From your above rant I can only conclude that you are, in no doubt, mentally ill. This site reminds me that there is a place for the weak and timid on the web!
I feel sorry for you, dana. You seem to be filled with hate. Taking the I hate FOXNEWS and Glenn Beck route. Gee, never heard that one before. LOLOL. You need to excised from any debate yourself. From your above rant I can only conclude that you are, in no doubt, mentally ill. This site reminds me that there is a place for the weak and timid on the web!
It burns me up to see the liberal media celebrating homosexuality and homesexuals as ‘heros’ for sticking their penises in other mens assholes and coming out and telling everybody about it while we have hundreds of thousands of fighting men and women putting their lives on the line. Liberals are sick people. I feel some very dark years coming when our presumptive ‘president’ Premier Obama gets in.
It burns me up to see the liberal media celebrating homosexuality and homesexuals as ‘heros’ for sticking their penises in other mens assholes and coming out and telling everybody about it while we have hundreds of thousands of fighting men and women putting their lives on the line. Liberals are sick people. I feel some very dark years coming when our presumptive ‘president’ Premier Obama gets in.
Well, after reading the article. I can tell that you Dana have some biasd notions here. It would have been different if you brought up both sides to condem but you didn’t.
I’ve watched Glenn and think he’s actually a very fair honest man. He tells it like it is. He gets on Republicans for their wrong doings, as he does for Democrats. It’s just that he’s so honest people can’t stand it, they would rather be in their comfort zone. Glenn talk about things others won’t, and I appreciate that, as should everyone else. He’s actually said he’s donkaphant. So what does that tell you…? I hope Glenn’s show stays on for as long as he can do the show 🙂 Good day.
Well, after reading the article. I can tell that you Dana have some biasd notions here. It would have been different if you brought up both sides to condem but you didn’t.
I’ve watched Glenn and think he’s actually a very fair honest man. He tells it like it is. He gets on Republicans for their wrong doings, as he does for Democrats. It’s just that he’s so honest people can’t stand it, they would rather be in their comfort zone. Glenn talk about things others won’t, and I appreciate that, as should everyone else. He’s actually said he’s donkaphant. So what does that tell you…? I hope Glenn’s show stays on for as long as he can do the show 🙂 Good day.
Hm, don’t kill the liberals, just ship them all over to Europe. That would be nice. 🙂
Hm, don’t kill the liberals, just ship them all over to Europe. That would be nice. 🙂
Liberal=Traitor
Liberal=Traitor
Thanks for proving my point. Once you decide that everyone who disagrees with you is a traitor, you no longer believe in America, but in its opposite. You become an enemy of America.
For America to exist, Americans must accept the legitimacy of other Americans when their party is in power. That’s the price you pay for your freedom. My freedom.
The Iranian mullahs who notified their election recently agree with you, by the way. You and they are one when it comes to politics.
Dana
Thanks for proving my point. Once you decide that everyone who disagrees with you is a traitor, you no longer believe in America, but in its opposite. You become an enemy of America.
For America to exist, Americans must accept the legitimacy of other Americans when their party is in power. That’s the price you pay for your freedom. My freedom.
The Iranian mullahs who notified their election recently agree with you, by the way. You and they are one when it comes to politics.
Dana
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In the end we will all learn to love and respect one another. This group is leading the way. http://www.gnaa.us/
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It’s funny that you should use the words “Conservative” and “hate speech” together, since it is the left in this country who are spring loaded to that position any time their views are challenged. The hailing of profanity, personal attacks and insults are the mainstay of the left.
Hypocrisy is the bedrock of the left. If a liberal speaks their mind, it’s free speech. When a conservative speaks their mind, or challenges the liberal on their views, they are not exercising their right to free speech, they are infringing on the left’s right of free speech. It’s in paragraph 1, page 1 of the leftist playbook.
It’s funny that you should use the words “Conservative” and “hate speech” together, since it is the left in this country who are spring loaded to that position any time their views are challenged. The hailing of profanity, personal attacks and insults are the mainstay of the left.
Hypocrisy is the bedrock of the left. If a liberal speaks their mind, it’s free speech. When a conservative speaks their mind, or challenges the liberal on their views, they are not exercising their right to free speech, they are infringing on the left’s right of free speech. It’s in paragraph 1, page 1 of the leftist playbook.
Obviously you don't like democracy, and thus don't like America.
Democracy is based on an assumption of goodwill on the part of others. You don't have that. You can't conceive that liberals might be just as patriotic as you and might be sincere. They must be evil! Liars! Devils! Inhuman.
So you can't live in a democracy.
Please go to any autocracy on the map. Find one that agrees with your views and move there.
We don't need your kind here.
Dana
Obviously you don't like democracy, and thus don't like America.
Democracy is based on an assumption of goodwill on the part of others. You don't have that. You can't conceive that liberals might be just as patriotic as you and might be sincere. They must be evil! Liars! Devils! Inhuman.
So you can't live in a democracy.
Please go to any autocracy on the map. Find one that agrees with your views and move there.
We don't need your kind here.
Dana
“Democracy is based on an assumption of goodwill on the part of others. You don’t have that. You can’t conceive that liberals might be just as patriotic as you and might be sincere. They must be evil! Liars! Devils! Inhuman.”
Pot meet kettle. 90% of your blogs are filled with exactly similar hate speech towards ‘the right’.
Btw, great going on that healthcare bill. I think Obama will go down in history as an even less effective president than Jimmy Carter.
“Democracy is based on an assumption of goodwill on the part of others. You don’t have that. You can’t conceive that liberals might be just as patriotic as you and might be sincere. They must be evil! Liars! Devils! Inhuman.”
Pot meet kettle. 90% of your blogs are filled with exactly similar hate speech towards ‘the right’.
Btw, great going on that healthcare bill. I think Obama will go down in history as an even less effective president than Jimmy Carter.
You're being childish, projecting your hatred on those you hate. Grow up.
The President is a grown-up. It's the best contrast with his critics, who are childish like you.
Dana
You're being childish, projecting your hatred on those you hate. Grow up.
The President is a grown-up. It's the best contrast with his critics, who are childish like you.
Dana
Easy. I’ll just refer to the first two paragraphs of my post.
Easy. I’ll just refer to the first two paragraphs of my post.
Dana, YOU’LL be the one leaving!
P.S. Can I help you pack? DUFUS?
Dana, YOU’LL be the one leaving!
P.S. Can I help you pack? DUFUS?
The hen is the wisest of all God's creatures. She doesn't cackle until after the egg is laid. — Abraham Lincoln.
The hen is the wisest of all God's creatures. She doesn't cackle until after the egg is laid. — Abraham Lincoln.
War, really? Let me a choose a side…. Shall I side with known pacifist, metro-homo-sexual hippies who think life is fair, that regardless of the effort expended, that the results should be equal from man to man? Or shall it be with those rugged guys who stalk warm-blooded prey in the densely wooded forests of America with high powered precision rifles and make single shot kills from hundreds of yards away, toil on their little piece of land to grow crops in an attempt to feed their families, and work hard everyday without asking for a damn thing from anyone?
Should it come to that, God forbid, keep your head down and remember………cover is not the same as concealment, but I digress.
War, really? Let me a choose a side…. Shall I side with known pacifist, metro-homo-sexual hippies who think life is fair, that regardless of the effort expended, that the results should be equal from man to man? Or shall it be with those rugged guys who stalk warm-blooded prey in the densely wooded forests of America with high powered precision rifles and make single shot kills from hundreds of yards away, toil on their little piece of land to grow crops in an attempt to feed their families, and work hard everyday without asking for a damn thing from anyone?
Should it come to that, God forbid, keep your head down and remember………cover is not the same as concealment, but I digress.
Dana you seem to be very hypocritical. Probably all the drugs you have done has finally caught up and fried your leftest brain beyond repair. Conservatives are getting more and more fed up with liberals. Give it 10 years you will all have fled to canada.
Dana you seem to be very hypocritical. Probably all the drugs you have done has finally caught up and fried your leftest brain beyond repair. Conservatives are getting more and more fed up with liberals. Give it 10 years you will all have fled to canada.
@Reality. I agree with the fried brains part. There isn’t much sense in his blogs. But they’re fun to read. If only as a way to learn more about the disease that’s called liberal thinking. It’s truly a disease. But hey – live and let live. People can do whatever they want and think I say.
But this blog does contain one particularly worrysome section. Read this from Dana: “People like Glenn Beck, Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter need to be excised from the public debate”.
Oh, Dana thinks it’s a good idea to excise people simply because they have opinions that Dana doesn’t agree with? Welcome back Nazi Germany, DDR, Peoples Republic of China, Khmer Rouge’s Cambodia etc. etc. Suuuur Dana. Get real man. All you do here is that you have a deep deep hatred towards anyone that has more sound thinking left in his brains than you.
So, @Dana – Why the hatred towards people whose views are more conservative (less liberal) than yours? Learn to talk to them man and don’t get so upset everytime you get beaten senseless in political discussions, which is about everytime. Isn’t this exactly why you set up this silly blog, this ‘safe’ little reserve from where you can publish your own worldview? Lol – and even here you’re getting upset.
Chill out Dana. Get a beer, do something fun. There’s more to life than talkingt about thesis and praising The One everytime (and throwing some old-school BushBashing in the mix now and then).
By the way – how’s The One working out for ya? Counting down to his neutering in November? One Spender In Chief less that Americans will have to worry about. No worries. We’ll fix the mess he made.
@Reality. I agree with the fried brains part. There isn’t much sense in his blogs. But they’re fun to read. If only as a way to learn more about the disease that’s called liberal thinking. It’s truly a disease. But hey – live and let live. People can do whatever they want and think I say.
But this blog does contain one particularly worrysome section. Read this from Dana: “People like Glenn Beck, Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter need to be excised from the public debate”.
Oh, Dana thinks it’s a good idea to excise people simply because they have opinions that Dana doesn’t agree with? Welcome back Nazi Germany, DDR, Peoples Republic of China, Khmer Rouge’s Cambodia etc. etc. Suuuur Dana. Get real man. All you do here is that you have a deep deep hatred towards anyone that has more sound thinking left in his brains than you.
So, @Dana – Why the hatred towards people whose views are more conservative (less liberal) than yours? Learn to talk to them man and don’t get so upset everytime you get beaten senseless in political discussions, which is about everytime. Isn’t this exactly why you set up this silly blog, this ‘safe’ little reserve from where you can publish your own worldview? Lol – and even here you’re getting upset.
Chill out Dana. Get a beer, do something fun. There’s more to life than talkingt about thesis and praising The One everytime (and throwing some old-school BushBashing in the mix now and then).
By the way – how’s The One working out for ya? Counting down to his neutering in November? One Spender In Chief less that Americans will have to worry about. No worries. We’ll fix the mess he made.
Dana loves big black-cocks. He’s an ass-tickler.
Dana loves big black-cocks. He’s an ass-tickler.
A very fine example of what I’m talking about.
What Nancy is engaged in here is pure hatred of the other. It’s against everything America is supposed to stand for.
Nancy, I don’t know you and you don’t know me. I don’t think you’re Hitler, and the least you can do in exchange is not seek to degrade me or others.
I think it’s time for America to grow up beyond the juvenalia you represent.
A very fine example of what I’m talking about.
What Nancy is engaged in here is pure hatred of the other. It’s against everything America is supposed to stand for.
Nancy, I don’t know you and you don’t know me. I don’t think you’re Hitler, and the least you can do in exchange is not seek to degrade me or others.
I think it’s time for America to grow up beyond the juvenalia you represent.
Dana,
Just do a reverse ISP/MAC lookup on Nancy.
I usually don’t agree with you (simply because I suspect you have some kind of genetic disorder that consistently makes you think wrong, but hey – you’re entitled to that), but that insult was off-base. In fact, it’s so off-base I’d just ignore it.
By the way, you say “not seek to degrade me or others”. Pot & kettle Dana. Your own writings are littered with demonizing and belittling remarks about anyone who has less socialist/liberal ideas than you. Think of it.
Dana,
Just do a reverse ISP/MAC lookup on Nancy.
I usually don’t agree with you (simply because I suspect you have some kind of genetic disorder that consistently makes you think wrong, but hey – you’re entitled to that), but that insult was off-base. In fact, it’s so off-base I’d just ignore it.
By the way, you say “not seek to degrade me or others”. Pot & kettle Dana. Your own writings are littered with demonizing and belittling remarks about anyone who has less socialist/liberal ideas than you. Think of it.
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killing liberals in a civil war or simply extermination is the only way to cleanse this country of the ignoranmarkgreene12@aol.com wretched non producers